Discussion:
[Xmltv-devel] time for a release
Robert Eden
2012-05-24 12:50:03 UTC
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Using our incredibly complicated release procedures (asking for a
release in a thread. :) ) Karl has called for a release.

I agree we're overdue.... so any objections to a release this weekend?

Robert
Nick Morrott
2012-05-24 13:08:40 UTC
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Post by Robert Eden
Using our incredibly complicated release procedures (asking for a
release in a thread. :) )  Karl has called for a release.
I agree we're overdue.... so any objections to a release this weekend?
Any chance we could defer until next weekend (Jun 2-3)? I've just
started a new job (hence lack of activity over last few weeks) and
uk_rt has seen some big changes which need as much testing as
possible.

The nightly test for uk_rt is frequently failing due to an over-eager
exit status - at the moment, the CVS version of the grabber does not
exit with success if _any_ programme entries are bad. I'll change this
before release to a non-quiet warning and only exit with a failure
code if any configured channels are missing completely.

Any other suggestions on how best to handle missing
programmes/channels w.r.t. exit status?

Cheers,
Nick
Robert Eden
2012-05-26 22:41:47 UTC
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Post by Nick Morrott
Any chance we could defer until next weekend (Jun 2-3)?
Of course... release pending Jun 2,3

Robert
Robert Eden
2012-06-01 04:26:48 UTC
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Post by Nick Morrott
Any chance we could defer until next weekend (Jun 2-3)?
We still a go for a release this weekend?

If anyone needs more time, speak up! (less work for me :) )

Robert
Jan Schneider
2012-06-01 08:21:59 UTC
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Post by Robert Eden
Post by Nick Morrott
Any chance we could defer until next weekend (Jun 2-3)?
We still a go for a release this weekend?
If anyone needs more time, speak up! (less work for me :) )
I would still love go get eu_epgdata back into shape before the
release, but am buried with (Horde) work. :/
--
Jan Schneider
The Horde Project
http://www.horde.org/
Robert Eden
2012-06-01 14:07:31 UTC
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Post by Jan Schneider
Post by Robert Eden
Post by Nick Morrott
Any chance we could defer until next weekend (Jun 2-3)?
We still a go for a release this weekend?
If anyone needs more time, speak up! (less work for me :) )
I would still love go get eu_epgdata back into shape before the
release, but am buried with (Horde) work. :/
How much time do you need?
Jan Schneider
2012-06-01 14:55:42 UTC
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Post by Robert Eden
Post by Jan Schneider
Post by Robert Eden
Post by Nick Morrott
Any chance we could defer until next weekend (Jun 2-3)?
We still a go for a release this weekend?
If anyone needs more time, speak up! (less work for me :) )
I would still love go get eu_epgdata back into shape before the
release, but am buried with (Horde) work. :/
How much time do you need?
A few more than those little 24 hours each day would suffice.

Kidding aside, if you give me one more week, I'll try to fit it in.
--
Jan Schneider
The Horde Project
http://www.horde.org/
Robert Eden
2012-06-01 22:12:17 UTC
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Post by Jan Schneider
A few more than those little 24 hours each day would suffice.
Kidding aside, if you give me one more week, I'll try to fit it in.
I don't believe anyone is pushing for a release, we're just over due....
so 6/9 it is.

Robert
Chris Butler
2012-06-03 12:08:28 UTC
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Post by Robert Eden
Post by Jan Schneider
A few more than those little 24 hours each day would suffice.
Kidding aside, if you give me one more week, I'll try to fit it in.
I don't believe anyone is pushing for a release, we're just over due....
so 6/9 it is.
Just my 2¢ from the Debian side of things - we're due to freeze for the new
release in a few weeks (meaning no new versions, I'll be limited
bugfix-uploads only). So 6/9 should be OK for me, but if it ends up much
later I might miss the deadline..

Sorry, should have spoken up earlier (real life has been getting in the way
of hacking duties!).
--
Chris Butler <***@debian.org>
GnuPG Key ID: 4096R/49E3ACD3
Ben Bucksch
2012-06-03 18:27:14 UTC
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Post by Chris Butler
Just my 2¢ from the Debian side of things - we're due to freeze for the new
release in a few weeks (meaning no new versions, I'll be limited
bugfix-uploads only). So 6/9 should be OK for me, but if it ends up much
later I might miss the deadline..
Sorry, should have spoken up earlier (real life has been getting in the way
of hacking duties!).
In that case, I wouldn't wait for eu_epgdata. There's always the next
release.
Jan Schneider
2012-06-08 13:29:46 UTC
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Post by Ben Bucksch
Post by Chris Butler
Just my 2¢ from the Debian side of things - we're due to freeze for the new
release in a few weeks (meaning no new versions, I'll be limited
bugfix-uploads only). So 6/9 should be OK for me, but if it ends up much
later I might miss the deadline..
Sorry, should have spoken up earlier (real life has been getting in the way
of hacking duties!).
In that case, I wouldn't wait for eu_epgdata. There's always the next
release.
I'm done with the changes pending for the next release. Thanks for the
patience!
--
Jan Schneider
The Horde Project
http://www.horde.org/
Robert Eden
2012-06-10 18:01:18 UTC
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Hey Chris.. I've pushed the XMLTV 0.5.62 so you can work on the RPM.

I still need to build the windows distribution so I haven't made the
announcement yet. (should get to it later today)

Robert
Post by Chris Butler
Post by Robert Eden
Post by Jan Schneider
A few more than those little 24 hours each day would suffice.
Kidding aside, if you give me one more week, I'll try to fit it in.
I don't believe anyone is pushing for a release, we're just over due....
so 6/9 it is.
Just my 2¢ from the Debian side of things - we're due to freeze for the new
release in a few weeks (meaning no new versions, I'll be limited
bugfix-uploads only). So 6/9 should be OK for me, but if it ends up much
later I might miss the deadline..
Sorry, should have spoken up earlier (real life has been getting in the way
of hacking duties!).
Nick Morrott
2012-06-10 09:45:22 UTC
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Post by Robert Eden
Post by Jan Schneider
A few more than those little 24 hours each day would suffice.
Kidding aside, if you give me one more week, I'll try to fit it in.
I don't believe anyone is pushing for a release, we're just over due....
so 6/9 it is.
Wondering whether the following grabbers should be disabled (or at
least checked in detail) before release?:

tv_grab_dtv_la
tv_grab_ee
tv_grab_es_miguiatv
tv_grab_nl
tv_grab_pt


Cheers,
Nick
Karl Dietz
2012-06-11 16:46:33 UTC
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Post by Nick Morrott
Post by Robert Eden
Post by Jan Schneider
A few more than those little 24 hours each day would suffice.
Kidding aside, if you give me one more week, I'll try to fit it in.
I don't believe anyone is pushing for a release, we're just over due....
so 6/9 it is.
Wondering whether the following grabbers should be disabled (or at
I think they should be disabled and removed one release later.
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_dtv_la
has been reported as broken since 2010 (looks like the old site has
finally been pulled)
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3070180&group_id=39046&atid=424136
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_ee
tv_grab_es_miguiatv
has been reported as broken with a nonfunctional fix suggested.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv/+bug/978438
(changing the url allows to configure the grabber, but its not
returning any programmes)
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_nl
looks like the dutch community replaced the Perl implementation with a
Python implementation
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mythtv.nl%2Findex.php%2FGrabbers
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_pt
broke, was fixed but quickly broke again, then no one took action
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3503011&group_id=39046&atid=424135


Personally I'm not interested in maintaining web scrapers. They are
slow, break regularly and often violate terms of service (no, I'm not
going to try to figure that out in all kind of languages for existing
grabbers).
There are a bunch of EPG sites that do offer guide data but are still
not supported by a grabber. It would be nice if effort could be directed
to support proper guide services instead of web scrapers.

Regards,
Karl
Robert Eden
2012-06-12 04:43:29 UTC
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I've modified Makefile.PL to disable the following grabbers
tv_grab_dtv_la
tv_grab_ee
tv_grab_es_miguiatv
tv_grab_nl
tv_grab_pt

Karl's excellent analysis is below. If anyone wants to fix a grabber, feel free to re-enable in the Makefile.PL!

Robert
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_dtv_la
has been reported as broken since 2010 (looks like the old site has
finally been pulled)
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=3070180&group_id=39046&atid=424136
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_ee
tv_grab_es_miguiatv
has been reported as broken with a nonfunctional fix suggested.
https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xmltv/+bug/978438
(changing the url allows to configure the grabber, but its not
returning any programmes)
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_nl
looks like the dutch community replaced the Perl implementation with a
Python implementation
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwiki.mythtv.nl%2Findex.php%2FGrabbers
Post by Nick Morrott
tv_grab_pt
broke, was fixed but quickly broke again, then no one took action
http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=3503011&group_id=39046&atid=424135
Personally I'm not interested in maintaining web scrapers. They are
slow, break regularly and often violate terms of service (no, I'm not
going to try to figure that out in all kind of languages for existing
grabbers).
There are a bunch of EPG sites that do offer guide data but are still
not supported by a grabber. It would be nice if effort could be directed
to support proper guide services instead of web scrapers.
Regards,
Karl
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